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Did this CD image allow you to install MintPPC on an Old World Mac?
It didn't work at all. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
It boots, but install fails partway. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
It installs, but I have trouble booting the new install. 50%  50%  [ 2 ]
It works similar to how the regular mini.iso does on New World Macs. 25%  25%  [ 1 ]
Other (please explain). 25%  25%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:35 pm 
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I haven't used your CD yet, but I do have Quik working on my beige G3. Here are the instructions I used, but they aren't all that clear..

<http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/>

For me, some of the links embedded in the text don't work (maybe it's an Opera thing), but the links in the box on the upper left part of the page do. Down at the bottom of the page is a link to NetBSD which you will find useful, but again, not real clear. I just kept trying things until it worked.

The instructions say to use System Disk (link on the NetBSD page, IIRC, otherwise search) from Apple to deal with the Open Firmware configuration from within OS8 or 9. PM me and I'll send it if you can't find it.

HTH, SK


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Re: A little homemade install CD image
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:18 am 
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You're absolutely right, most instructions on the use of Quik aren't clear. It's as if Linux is a minority OS, Linux PPC even more so, and Linux on "Old World" PPC triply so! Most modern distributions list "New World" as a prerequisite.

<http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/>

Not just for you. The links on the left are OK, but many of the rest are dead - they link to pages no longer on the same server! I got around that by typing the URL of the page above into waybackmachine.org and seeing how it looked some years ago. Waybackmachine is awesome! The NetBSD pages are, unfortunately, some of the most complete descriptions of PowerPC Mac hardware still out there. Kudos to the NetBSD contributors for compiling the information and keeping it posted!

Thanks, but my Boot CD includes System Disk, as well as almost 20 MB of similar utilities to make Mac OS/Linux co-exist, or simply to prepare a Hard Drive to boot Linux only.

Anyway, thanks for the input.


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Re: A little homemade install CD image
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:04 pm 
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Downloaded, burnt (on a fast modern PC), and installing on my Beige g3. :D

I took a look at it under os9, & see you've included System Disk 2.3.1, whereas 2.6.2 is what I've been using. You've also included a wealth of other obscure software. Cool!

My only extra hard drive is 3.2 Mb, so I don't think it'll do the whole MintPPC, but at least I can test it for you as far as it goes. I could put a second HD in as slave (and use it for /home), but I was too impatient to see how it works.

This is exciting for old PPC owners (or should that be "owners of old PPCs?").

SKi


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Re: A little homemade install CD image for Old World Powerma
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:29 pm 
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My Wallstreet:

I got the image.
I read your FAQ to set-up bootx to boot the system after install.
I booted the CD and it got me safely to the installer.
DHCP auto configure worked like a charm.
It grabbed some packages.
Set time and passwords and made users.
Partitioning:
Error: The current kernel doesn't support the Logical Volume Manager. You may need to load the lvm-mod instead.
However, the partitioner seemed to work fine.
8 - 128MB ext2 /boot
9 - 8.2GB ext4 / (noatime)
10 -128MB swap
Install finished, crabbed about quik, but I skipped it and let it finish.

All is good now!

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Re: A little homemade install CD image for Old World Powerma
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:12 pm 
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Followup to my previous comment. I had to leave for a week on business and just got home last night.

Mint 9 installed fine up to a point. it did fill up the disc as I supposed it would, and then of course it wouldn't proceed. But I do have a base Linux system and if I had the HD space it appears it would have worked just fine.

Congrats on making it work!


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Re: A little homemade install CD image for Old World Powerma
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:26 pm 
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to theos911:

Very cool. DHCP does work in some cases, but not others, I suspect it depends on the way DHCP is implemented on the server. Hooked up to the built-in DHCP on Mac OS X 10.5, it worked, same scenario with 10.4 was hit and miss. Both with all current updates, using the same G3 Wallstreet and even the same ethernet cable, so realistically everything else should have been the same.

I noticed the error about LVM too, seemed like it might lack some advanced features like fancier disk partitions or encrypted disks, but the basic partitioning worked ok. I actually tried to load lvm-mod several ways (modprobe lvm-mod, lvm_mod, lvm2-mod, lvm2_mod) with no success. I suspect it simply is not in the netboot kernel/ramdisk, or its path must be typed out explicitly, and I haven't bothered to find out what that path might be, no need so far. Re: noatime, take a look at:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/2099/is-it-worth-to-tune-ext4-with-noatime

Mine complained about quik too, though I would note that it may fail to set up Open Firmware to boot quik, but the actual quik configuration seemed fine, i.e. once I got OF to boot from the proper disk partition, quik worked. The most failure prone step to booting without Mac OS, the Achilles heel so to speak is the Open Firmware itself.

to swordking:

I'm always open to including newer versions of such software on a new 'edition' of the CD, when I find it or others contribute. :-) My only concern is that System Disk has a reputation for not working with some Old World Powermacs, and I would think newer versions may exacerbate this potential problem. Since System Disk takes up relatively little space, I'd probably include both a newer and older version, perhaps saying 'use the newer one, unless it doesn't work on your setup, otherwise try the older one' in the FAQ.

to both: (or is that every reader of this thread?) (replying to more than one post at a time to keep the number of my replies to my own thread low)

I meant to update some of the information in the FAQ, regarding the startup sequence. When the CD actually boots without holding any keys down, it should, by default pass the kernel two boot parameters:

1) auto url=mintppc.org
2) video=ofonly

The first should be obvious to anyone who has read even part of the install instructions on mintppc.org.
The second of course uses only the Open Firmware framebuffer during install, which is slower than accelerated video, but also tends to be much more failsafe.

If you press shift, it passes no parameters, which gives a default Debian 6 Squeeze install, and (if available) accelerated video.

These can be altered by modifying the fake 'System' file in the system folder with ResEdit while booted into Classic Mac OS as mentioned in point 5 of the FAQ. (Another reason running Mac OS in MOL/QEMU/vMac/BasiliskII/Sheepshaver would be useful! Or maybe a way to alter Mac OS resources from within Linux?)

To go with all these possible changes/updates, JD I plan to respin my CD at some point, maybe make a even more mini rescue CD whose whole purpose is to reset OF boot parameters, and maybe mount disk partitions or the like (may have to be Darwin based at least initially to include Darwin specific commands like bless, unless they can compile under Linux easily). And of course at some point redo the whole thing with MintPPC 11, preferably after Debian 7 Wheezy is (more?) stable (from the standpoint of being less bleeding edge, not that it's crash-prone or anything).


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Re: A little homemade install CD image for Old World Powerma
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:10 pm 
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Thanks for the link. However, I wasn't doing it for any performance gain. I am running off of an 16GB Compact Flash card that lacks wear-leveling. With that in mind, I try to minimize unnecessary writes.

Most of the other tweaks for SSDs involve moving various caches to RAM, but I haven't tried those.

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Re: A little homemade install CD image for Old World Powerma
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:23 pm 
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I'm having trouble with the installation. It doesn't seem to boot. Running an old world Powerbook G3 PDQ 300Mhz. Would appreciate some help.
Cheers.


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Re: A little homemade install CD image for Old World Powerma
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Hello,

Did you try holding C while booting?

Did you burn to a CD-R? CD-RW and DVD will not work.

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Re: A little homemade install CD image for Old World Powerma
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:57 am 
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OMG. I got this to work! So here is what I did. I burnt the image into a CD-R and held down C (Thanks for the Tip @theos911). Next I partitioned the drive so that the whole would be guided and partitioned.

I did install quik and it works perfectly. Here are the steps to follow:

I got MintPPC 9 working on a Powerbook G3 Wallstreet PDQ 300Mhz without BootX :geek:
Here are the steps to follow.

Step 1:
Power on the Powerbook. As soon as you hear the boot-chime or before you hear the boot chime hold down Command + Option + O + F

Step 2:
Type in the following commands at the Open Firmware Prompt
Code:
0> setenv auto-boot? false



Step 3:
Grab hold of Mac OS X 10.2 CD1. Pop it into the CD drive and type in
Code:
0> boot

and hold down 'C' immidiately.
A smiling mac will be displayed. You will hear the boot chime again and this time you will be prompted back.

Step 4:
Next type
Code:
0> setenv load-base 1000000


Step 5:
Type these commands in
Code:
0> boot ide0/@0:0 auto url=mintppc.org video=ofonly


Step 6:
Next you will see the Boot: prompt.
Code:
Boot:

Just hit enter/return here and it will boot.

The reason I used the Mac OS X 10.2 CD 1 is that it has an openfirmware NVRAM patch that gets automatically loaded on oldworld machines like the PDQ to install Mac OS X 10.2 :geek:

@lubod, Thank you so much for making the initial disk image without which my Powerbook would not be running Linux.


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